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Post by Thirsty Dog - Command on Apr 30, 2013 8:53:43 GMT -5
Kind of resurrecting an old thread, but it's interesting to me right now, as I've been reading up on Polarstar rifles. I think our local Dunham's does HPA refills (haven't asked, but I've seen tanks back by the firearm counter), so it makes a P* setup a bit more accessible to me; my concern is I don't want anything that is unreasonable compared to a typical AEG. I'm OK with a setup that could run 340-350FPS with .20's (maybe .25s) at 15RPS tournament locked and a 2-3lb tank (weight doesn't bother me, I need all the exercise I can get). That's pretty much what my ICS runs; I have no interest in blasting somebody with an insane ROF at a high FPS, and I certainly don't want to be "that guy". I'm more allured by the simplicity / lack of moving parts, reliability, and ease of maintenance. It's definitely given me more to think about... I'm still new, so the "BUY ALL THE THINGS!" bug is still in me.
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Post by Slacker - Command on Apr 30, 2013 10:27:04 GMT -5
Dunhams sells CO2 last time I checked. Not HPA. The only HPA place in town that I know of is PbSports in Fort Wayne. I'm in there talking up airsoft and hear people pregnant dog about if all the time. Justa head up. HPA is not cheap.
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Post by Thirsty Dog - Command on Apr 30, 2013 10:51:56 GMT -5
Dunhams sells CO2 last time I checked. Not HPA. The only HPA place in town that I know of is PbSports in Fort Wayne. I'm in there talking up airsoft and hear people pregnant dog about if all the time. Justa head up. HPA is not cheap. Good call, you are correct, CO2 only... Drat. And it's not like Defiance has a dive shop... I could get a scuba tank off eBay and take a trip over to PBSports though. Or buy a Shoebox compressor, but that'd cost as much as the P*. Thanks for the heads up Slacker! Edit: Total brain fart; my wife works in Ft Wayne, so I suppose I could bribe her into hitting up PB on her lunch break or after work...
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Post by Slacker - Command on Apr 30, 2013 11:24:47 GMT -5
Dunhams sells CO2 last time I checked. Not HPA. The only HPA place in town that I know of is PbSports in Fort Wayne. I'm in there talking up airsoft and hear people pregnant dog about if all the time. Justa head up. HPA is not cheap. Good call, you are correct, CO2 only... Drat. And it's not like Defiance has a dive shop... I could get a scuba tank off eBay and take a trip over to PBSports though. Or buy a Shoebox compressor, but that'd cost as much as the P*. Thanks for the heads up Slacker! Here is how I see it. And stating it now Polarstars confuse me because I left paintball for the realism and emersion in airsoft. Hence I run nothing but gas now. Where as Polarstars to me are not that. then again neither is an AEG hence gbbrs for me.
If you are deing to go Polarstar we could work something out where I can get you tanks filled as I live near PbSports. I would need the money to do it before hand, but we could find something out if you have to have a polarstar.
Can I just make one suggestion. Not say go KWA LM4, but gas guns are not as finicky as everyone says they are. They are easy to maintain and cheap to fix when something does go wrong. And you can fix them yourself. hell I know people who complain about gas guns yet they all wear gas guns as a secondary and some of those pistols have outlasted their primaries twice over now. The call is yours man. Do a lot of research and soul searching as well as wallet considerations. Gas rigs both ways are big money to get them up and running at a competitive level.
If you wanna stay AEG you can always grab something with a version 3 gearbox. AK's and G36's. They are a more resistent gearbox design. There is still a Cyma ak47 floating around somewhere in this thread that has seen 5 years of play and hasn't missed a beat.
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Post by Thirsty Dog - Command on Apr 30, 2013 11:39:30 GMT -5
Here is how I see it. And stating it now Polarstars confuse me because I left paintball for the realism and emersion in airsoft. Hence I run nothing but gas now. Where as Polarstars to me are not that. then again neither is an AEG hence gbbrs for me.
If you are deing to go Polarstar we could work something out where I can get you tanks filled as I live near PbSports. I would need the money to do it before hand, but we could find something out if you have to have a polarstar.
Can I just make one suggestion. Not say go KWA LM4, but gas guns are not as finicky as everyone says they are. They are easy to maintain and cheap to fix when something does go wrong. And you can fix them yourself. hell I know people who complain about gas guns yet they all wear gas guns as a secondary and some of those pistols have outlasted their primaries twice over now. The call is yours man. Do a lot of research and soul searching as well as wallet considerations. Gas rigs both ways are big money to get them up and running at a competitive level.
If you wanna stay AEG you can always grab something with a version 3 gearbox. AK's and G36's. They are a more resistent gearbox design. There is still a Cyma ak47 floating around somewhere in this thread that has seen 5 years of play and hasn't missed a beat. Thanks for your input, you bring up good points... I had thought possibly going with a GBB rifle (especially after trying Darth's, I like the recoil). With the P* I can re-use all my AEG mags. My intent, if I decide to pursue this further, would be to buy the engine and drop it into my King Arms M4; I can get a whole kit with tank, air rig and V2 Generation 3 engine for $675 compared to buying a LM4 at ~$400 and 3-4 mags at ~$40. The GBBR *IS* lower up front cost (on propane)... Decisions, decisions. I appreciate your offer, and I'll keep that in mind. I completely wasn't thinking and forgot my wife works in Ft. Wayne, so she could possibly get tanks filled for me.
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Post by Darth on Apr 30, 2013 11:57:23 GMT -5
Well based on your numbers. A $675 setup would get u a lm4 that comes with a mag and 6 more on top of that. Even more if u use coupon codes. And as far as your aeg mags u could always sell them. And put that money into a gas setup if that is what u like.
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Post by Slacker - Command on Apr 30, 2013 11:58:47 GMT -5
Here is how I see it. And stating it now Polarstars confuse me because I left paintball for the realism and emersion in airsoft. Hence I run nothing but gas now. Where as Polarstars to me are not that. then again neither is an AEG hence gbbrs for me.
If you are deing to go Polarstar we could work something out where I can get you tanks filled as I live near PbSports. I would need the money to do it before hand, but we could find something out if you have to have a polarstar.
Can I just make one suggestion. Not say go KWA LM4, but gas guns are not as finicky as everyone says they are. They are easy to maintain and cheap to fix when something does go wrong. And you can fix them yourself. hell I know people who complain about gas guns yet they all wear gas guns as a secondary and some of those pistols have outlasted their primaries twice over now. The call is yours man. Do a lot of research and soul searching as well as wallet considerations. Gas rigs both ways are big money to get them up and running at a competitive level.
If you wanna stay AEG you can always grab something with a version 3 gearbox. AK's and G36's. They are a more resistent gearbox design. There is still a Cyma ak47 floating around somewhere in this thread that has seen 5 years of play and hasn't missed a beat. Thanks for your input, you bring up good points... I had thought possibly going with a GBB rifle (especially after trying Darth's, I like the recoil). With the P* I can re-use all my AEG mags. My intent, if I decide to pursue this further, would be to buy the engine and drop it into my King Arms M4; I can get a whole kit with tank, air rig and V2 Generation 3 engine for $675 compared to buying a LM4 at ~$400 and 3-4 mags at ~$40. The GBBR *IS* lower up front cost (on propane)... Decisions, decisions. I appreciate your offer, and I'll keep that in mind. I completely wasn't thinking and forgot my wife works in Ft. Wayne, so she could possibly get tanks filled for me. We-Tech M4. $300 NPAS for FPS Control $20 Dollars Magazines $32 a peice. Added goodies you want.... $$$? This is all without coupon codes.
KWA is not the only manufacturer of GBBRs. DO NOT BUY A GBBR for the recoil alone. It makes you play differently. It makes you see the whole feild and use it. That includes other players. IF you want to play chess. Then yes. Go for a GBBR. If you need help please consult me and Darth before buying anything as some brands are known for bad and good. Non of them are perfect. But this is for another thread.
Just do some sleeping on it man. Next time you come and play. Run with me and my Gbbr and I will show you how you are forced to play. Then run with someone with an P* and see what you think you like more. Personally I think you had a bad experience with an AEG, and wanna get something better. I would give this more time man. Either system to me is nothing to rush into.
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Post by Thirsty Dog - Command on Apr 30, 2013 12:09:34 GMT -5
We-Tech M4. $300 NPAS for FPS Control $20 Dollars Magazines $32 a peice. Added goodies you want.... $$$? This is all without coupon codes.
KWA is not the only manufacturer of GBBRs. DO NOT BUY A GBBR for the recoil alone. It makes you play differently. It makes you see the whole feild and use it. That includes other players. IF you want to play chess. Then yes. Go for a GBBR. If you need help please consult me and Darth before buying anything as some brands are known for bad and good. Non of them are perfect. But this is for another thread.
Just do some sleeping on it man. Next time you come and play. Run with me and my Gbbr and I will show you how you are forced to play. Then run with someone with an P* and see what you think you like more. Personally I think you had a bad experience with an AEG, and wanna get something better. I would give this more time man. Either system to me is nothing to rush into. I'm in no hurry at all, and my ICS issue didn't spawn this either; I've been looking into this off and on since the start of the year. I guess I wasn't necessarily trying to justify the P* price compared to WE Tech or KWA GBB, just more so what I was going through in my head. I was hoping bneally would be there at the Opener so I could check out his setup from this thread (that I've totally now hijacked). Actually, I don't know if he was there or not since I've never met him, but I didn't see anyone running a P*. I could always just build a P* AND buy a GBBR. ;D Then I'd have to find a friends couch to sleep on for about a week.
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Post by Darth on Apr 30, 2013 12:38:06 GMT -5
d**n only a week. If I spent that kind of money I would have to find a good lawyer.
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Post by Slacker - Command on Apr 30, 2013 12:53:45 GMT -5
Darth learn to sleeper yourself out to fat chicks. They need love to. They just have to pay. ~Peter Griffin
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Post by Thirsty Dog - Command on Apr 30, 2013 13:43:20 GMT -5
d**n only a week. If I spent that kind of money I would have to find a good lawyer. Well, my wife offered to contribute to the P* build cost for my anniversary gift if I decide to go with it, cause she's awesome. So that helps.
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Post by bneally on May 1, 2013 11:11:34 GMT -5
No, i thought the opener was canceled and i didn't know it was back on until later in the afternoon. I get my tank filled at Paintball Plex in LaOtto. It is just outside Fort Wayne on SR 3. I get my tanks filled there for free. I know the owner pretty well and I played a ton of paintball there. He has a giant compressor, so he doesn't have a lot of money into the air other than his initial investment, so he usually doesn't care. Even if he was going to charge you, it might be a buck. He doesn't look at filling tanks as a money maker like other stores do.
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Post by bneally on May 1, 2013 18:23:23 GMT -5
The polar star is worth the money if you can swing it (in my humble opinion). The only thing it lacks is the true realism since there is no recoil (which may be able to be added, not sure on this one) and there is a hose to the gun. I bought the polar star because I am sold on it's performance. Here is why: A) Heavier BB's are more accurate than lighter ones B) The heavier BB's tend to slow down in the barrel due to their greater mass C) The polar star has the ability to increase the air volume behind the BB to overcompensate for the greater mass
You can compensate with heavier BB's by increasing the air pressure or adding more hop up to the BB, but neither of those will create near the accuracy and consistency of adding more air volume. My gun also doesn't fluctuate more than 4 FPS, shot to shot. Accuracy will always have a lot to do with your hop up as well. I am not discounting that. If you take the hop up out of the equation, the polar star has the best chance of obtaining the most accurate shot with the most range. It's physics.
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Post by Darth on May 1, 2013 19:00:35 GMT -5
I'm a little confused on b&c. Are you saying you adjust the air volume to make say a .32 to have the same fps as .20?
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Post by bneally on May 1, 2013 20:12:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but I will try and clarify. I would like to shoot as heavy of a BB as I can. If the allowable limit at Butler is 500FPS with a .2 (Semi auto only, follow MED) then I should be able to shoot a .32 at 415FPS to stay within the acceptable force rating (measured by Joules). Depending on the length of a gun's barrel a .2 fired at 500FPS may not necessarily mean a .32 will be fired at 415FPS(with no other changes to the setup). At some point, a BB will peak at a certain velocity inside a barrel. After that, it will start to slow down. The only way to combat this, is to increase the air volume and not the air pressure. That is why most airsoft guns run into a situation where creating more air volume means you would have to increase the physical size of the air chamber. Of course this is limited due to space in the gun. You would also have to increase the power of your spring to compensate for the longer travel.
All of this, or course, depends on your entire set up. Some of this will not apply to guns with small barrels. This is because as long as you don't shoot .5, .6 or anything ridiculous, the BB should maintain speed throughout the length of the barrel.
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